treated by fox news now. >> i think that the news guys, i think, try to do a good job, let's face it, fox news, i think, has a point of view, there's nothing wrong with that. there's a strong history in america of all news having some sort of point of view, and fox news has a point of view and i think that's part ever our democracy. >> do you respect it. >> absolutely. >> now, what about it, alan, are the views that anita dunn expressed gone at the white house. i don't see much difference. the president did make a point, there is a point of view and employ potential republican candidates and appeal to hard core audience and he said that's fine in a democracy. do you have a problem with that? i never think so. he never said let's shut down fox news, let's let them never exist. that's not an issue. >> the difference is, two years ago when anita said that she was citing chairman mao.